Friday, June 16, 2006

Subject: The Killing of a Child Along with Zarqawi

----- Original Message -----

From: Dean Lawrence R. Velvel
To: Kevin Gutzman
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: I was skeptical of this war in the first place...

June 16, 2006

Dear Professor Gutzman:

For a history professor of all people to hold the view you expressed, and to say a contrary opinion is “absurd,” with no sign of even the remotest understanding of other possible considerations, speaks very poorly for you, your education, and, sadly, even for a school that would hire a history professor of such limited, one-sided understanding.

Sincerely yours,

Lawrence R. Velvel

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Gutzman
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:11 AM
Subject: I was skeptical of this war in the first place...

... but your column on LRC today is absurd. If Zarqawi didn't want his relatives bombed, he should have stayed away from them. He knew that, and he likely didn't care. It isn't the Americans' responsibility to hold their fire until they find a way of killing him that doesn't injure his relatives.

Prof. Kevin R. C. Gutzman
Department of History
Western Connecticut State University

----- Original Message -----

From: Randall
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:34 AM
Subject: Zarqawi

> Dear Professor Velvel,
> I just read your very interesting column on Don't
> you think the reason we bombed Zarqawi is that we didn't want him
> alive? Even imprisoned, he could still inspire his followers, and
> then there is the problematic issue of a trial and bringing him to
> justice. We've already got that problem with Saddam, and we'd be
> better off now if we'd killed him instead of capturing him.
> Also, killing him in that way, along with those who are with them,
> sends a message to those who might consider stepping up and taking
> his place. To do so is not only to put yourself at risk, but also
> anyone you might associate with, including your family.
> Ruthless? Yes. But it all makes sense to me.
> Best regards,
> Randall

----- Original Message -----

From: Kirk
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 3:14 AM
Subject: The killing of a child along with Zarqawi

> You brought up some important points about the little girl that was killed with
> Zarqawi. Here is one I think that applies even though the reality of it is too
> horrible to complete.
> No one in the press mentioned or were concerned about the killing of the child
> along with the killing of a terrorist leader because they got away with it before
> and they will get away with it again.
> The last photo of Iraqian Leader were about two years ago when Saddam Hussein's
> sons were killed fighting. Same type of photo. Gruesome images of the two
> killed men. Also mentioned but not shown was a young boy (said to be Hussein's
> grandson) who was killed along with the two "Thugs."
> People said Hussein's sons were brutal and deserved to die like that but not the
> young boy. Essentially they got away with it.
> Hell, they got away with it in The United States. They wanted David Koresh,
> they got David. They also got over 50 children (I am not sure of the exact
> number) Yes, there was a lot of anger over that, but no government official was
> punished for the murder of these children. If the head of a company allowed 50
> children to die, even accidently as the government claims happened at Waco,
> do you honestly think that CEO would see the outside of prison again?
> People remember Waco. But before Waco, the government got away killing
> children, a lot of children by bombing. There was MOVE where the government
> killed a lot of children by bombing a house. In fact they destroyed the
> neighborhood so powerful was that bomb.
> You mentioned killing Indians and other. So they have been getting away with
> it for a long time. If someone has been getting away with evil for a long time
> they have no shame. I suspect that one of the reasons you wrote
> the essay is to give people a sense of shame. It worked. I am more ashamed
> than ever. But for the people in power and those who did it, they have no
> shame. It was collateral damage. In fact I suspect they are secretly proud
> they got Zarqawi's daughter, Hussein's grandchild, Koresh 's children and so
> on. You wouldn't want the family line to continue would you?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Dean Lawrence R. Velvel"
To: "Richard R Szathmary"
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: Your column on

June 16, 2006

Dear Mr. Szathmary:

It is obvious that you are incapable of grasping how your very own point could equally be made about people who kill from miles away, even hundreds or thousands of miles away, with no concern about those they are killing.

Sincerely yours,

Lawrence Velvel

----- Original Message -----

From: "Richard R Szathmary"
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: Your column on

> Mr. Velvel,
> People who fly planes filled with other people, who didn't ask for the
> "privilege," are not brave. Why can't either your or the very foolish
> here Bill Maher recognize that? Instead, they are callous butchers and
> fanatics who honestly don't give a shit about the cries for help or mercy
> from their fellow "passengers."
> The courageous do not kill so many innocent others against their will.
> Really..
> R Szathmary

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